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Inhabitants and Schoolchildren from Flood-Hit Areas Sojourn in Pyongyang 130 Days under Benefits of Party and State kcna.co.jp/item/2024/202412/ne…

Farhad 🆓🇵🇸 ☮️Now 1 week ago • diaspora

had a glass of vine and a beer and now I'm drunk..

I don't remember when was the last time I had drinks and it feels really weird being drunk after just w drinks!

Farhad 🆓🇵🇸 ☮️Now 1 week ago • diaspora

Thank you very much. It was the first Christmas with my family in 8 years. Lots of fun, ridiculous amount of food and cheezy movies.

Happy holidays to you too.

♻ Citoyen Candide ☮ 1 week ago • diaspora

Great for you to share this moment with the family ❤

Acta Populi 1 week ago friendica

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Emmanuel Revah 1 week ago • mastodon (AP)

Vue à l'instant à NY
#gisele #giselepelicot

"Thank you Gisèle Pelicot" sur le trottoir à New York.

#Gisele #giselepelicot

Natalie Davis 1 week ago • mastodon (AP)

What stores are open and closed on Christmas Day in 2024? apnews.com/article/christmas-s…

Stores opened, closed on Christmas 2023: Walmart, Kroger, CVS

From retail to grocery chains, many companies across the U.S. shut their doors on Christmas Day — including Walmart and Target — while others opt to cut back hours.

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Natalie Davis 1 week ago • mastodon (AP)

Trial of man accused in Trump assassination attempt in Florida pushed back to September apnews.com/article/florida-tru…

Trial of man accused in Trump assassination attempt in Florida pushed back to September

A man accused of attempting to assassinate President-elect Donald Trump in South Florida won’t be tried until September 2025. U.S. District Judge Aileen Cannon said in an order released on Monday that Ryan Routh’s trial will begin Sept.

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Natalie Davis 1 week ago • mastodon (AP)

US census data shows how Middle Eastern and Hispanic residents differ in racial identity apnews.com/article/census-bure…

US census data shows how Middle Eastern and Hispanic residents differ in racial identity

The U.S. Census Bureau currently is getting public feedback about how it should tally responses from people into new race and ethnicity groups.

^{MIKE SCHNEIDER (AP News)}

Chris Trottier 1 week ago • pleroma (AP)

For Christmas, I got my kid an Amazon 8” Fire tablet with a cute pink case.

Now she’s happily enjoying Roblox without having to lug around that gigantic iPad Pro everywhere. And it fits easier in her hands.

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Acta Populi 1 week ago friendica

European gas prices soar amid anticipated imports shutdown via Ukraine odysee.com/gasprices:2a3799462…

Interstellar_1 via Ask Lemmy 1 week ago • lemmy (AP)

What sensory thing(s) annoy you?

Firebirdie713 1 week ago • lemmy (AP)

Chalky foods (merengues, smartie candies, antacids, etc). I also hate the sound of chalk being used. It makes my teeth hurt.

Blue LEDs that aren't properly balanced (they give me migraines)

Electricity whining (I can hear this almost anywhere inside)

Dense fleeces (they make me itchy regardless of material)

Turtlenecks (I feel like I am choking)

Mayor Poopington 1 week ago • lemmy (AP)

I feel you on those blue LEDs. Gives me eye strain trying to focus

Firebirdie713 1 week ago • lemmy (AP)

If you are like me and looking for nice holiday lights that won't hurt your eyes, check out Technology Connections on YouTube who has tested all the brands and found two that include soft blue lights! I am investing in them soon because I miss having colored lights.

taz 1 week ago • mastodon (AP)

Mike Spike Froidl war bei der Anarchistischen Pogo-Partei aktiv. Als Punk ist er der Meinung: „Zur Arbeit zu gehen, ist unter meiner Würde“. taz.de/!6055378

Künstler Mike Spike Froidl über Punk: „Das Ziellose, das ist doch Punk“

^{Erik Peter (taz)}

L'intrus 1 week ago • diaspora

#Darmanin #ecologie #humour

#humour #écologie #Darmanin

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#Lol

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qyron via Asklemmy 1 week ago • lemmy (AP)

Lab grown protein: if created, would you move to it?

As a thinking experiment, let us consider that on the 1st of January of 2025 it is announced that an advance making possible growing any kind of animal tissue in laboratory conditions as been achieved and that it is possible to scale it in order to achieve industrial grade production level.

There is no limit on which animal tissues can be grown, so, any species is achieveable, only being needed a small cell sample from an animal to start production, and the cultivated tissues are safe for consumption.

There won't be any perceiveable price change to the end consummer, as the growing is a complex and labour intensive process, requiring specialized equipments and personnel.

Would you change to this new diet option?

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Eugenia 1 week ago • lemmy (AP)

Processed food is bad, this is common knowledge. Saturated fat is nothing compared to it. These fake burgers are ultra processed in order to feel like meat. Just do a search about processed foods on the guardian and nytimes in the last year. A LOT of new research has come out about it.

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fixmycode 1 week ago • lemmy (AP)

there's a not so small possibility that development of meat growing tech and patent expression will give us a niche market of not-available-before-for-ethical-reasons meats, like white rhinoceros burgers, cat and dog steaks, human fillets.

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comfy 1 week ago • lemmy (AP)

edit: Also, lots of people actually like anchovies and eat them on Caesar salad and in sauces without realizing.

For what it's worth, I like some foods in certain forms but not others, such as pureed but not whole. A plain anchovy (yum!) is far more powerful, bone-filled and salty than in sauces.

Then there are foods where I only like certain varieties, or they're very different when you have them in different regions, so someone can think they don't like a food but in reality they've only experienced a crappy version of it so far.

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comfy 1 week ago • lemmy (AP)

I wonder how much of people's disgust over certain foods is social rather than any ingrained revulsion, and if normalization will therefore make it a non-issue for the vast majorities.

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johannesvanderwhales 1 week ago • lemmy (AP)

If it were indistinguishable from other meat sources, and priced similarly (preferably less!), then of course. I expect it will take a very long time to get to that point, though.

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Birdie 1 week ago • lemmy (AP)

I'll move to it in a second. Protein with no need to slaughter animals would be so fantastic for the animals, the earth, and people.

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bblkargonaut 1 week ago • lemmy (AP)

I eat tacos bell

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fool 1 week ago • lemmy (AP)

its 3am and i laughed my ass off. why?

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slowroll 1 week ago • lemmy (AP)

still waiting for the mass to consume it and see what happen, also waiting for the price too

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comfy 1 week ago • lemmy (AP)

I’m sure that, in the same way that there’s still a market for objectively inferior exploitatively mined diamonds as a status symbol instead of lab created diamonds, there would still be a market for rEaL meat where “you can really taste the suffering” or whatever.

I don't think the value is sadism in itself, but the supposed natural purity; it's the sense of authenticity. They'd be more likely to market it like "As nature intended", "no nasty chemicals, organic", "no added dihydrogen monoxide", like that. You can play on the silly fear of scary chemical names.

I suppose animal furs is a relevant case study. Synthetic alternatives exist, but the real thing is considered a status icon by idiots.

That all said, fuck those cruel idealistic pieces of shit and the suffering they enable.

Now here’s the more interesting question that actually has me on the fence: if “growing any kind of animal tissue” is what has been achieved, where would you stand on consuming lab-grown hu

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I’m sure that, in the same way that there’s still a market for objectively inferior exploitatively mined diamonds as a status symbol instead of lab created diamonds, there would still be a market for rEaL meat where “you can really taste the suffering” or whatever.

I suppose animal furs is a relevant case study. Synthetic alternatives exist, but the real thing is considered a status icon by idiots.

That all said, fuck those cruel idealistic pieces of shit and the suffering they enable.

Now here’s the more interesting question that actually has me on the fence: if “growing any kind of animal tissue” is what has been achieved, where would you stand on consuming lab-grown human meat? Is it immoral?

Human meat, the inevitable question!

I see literally no ethical problem with eating non-sentient lab-grown meat, and I don't see why it being human flesh should be treated specially. I'm not even trying to equivocate humans and other animals, I don't consider human meat to be a human being, so there's no farming torture I'm concerned about, and I care about the meat's death as much as I care about a jellyfish or grass being squished. It's not like they're farming an entire conscious human like The Matrix, that would be uneconomical. (that said, what if humans were lab-grown for scientific research like lab animals? That's a more confronting question to me!)

Are there risks?

I'm no expert, but I suspect human diseases are more transferable than other animal meat diseases, so that's a consideration. Contamination is always a concern, I'd assume.

What would be the proper etiquette and presentation and everything if it became socially accepted?

I don't care. I can buy chicken nuggets and eat them with my elbows, if I want. I'll do that with human meat too. I already side with Frank Reynolds' perspective on the whole 'respect for the dead' tradition, put me up on a mountain for vultures and flowers like the Zoroastrianists, but this isn't even a sentient, let alone social, being. The only real etiquette I would consider is to make sure people aren't unknowingly served it, same with pork and other meats, because that could be unreasonably cruel to someone who is alive.

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https://hackertalks.com/u/jet 1 week ago • lemmy (AP)

I would be wildly optimistic, but very cautious.

I'd want to see multi-year randomized control trials comparing the bioavailability of not only protein, but also vitamins and minerals from the synthetic meat and liver, to natural meat and liver.

Assuming the RCTs show no issues, then I would happily move over.

Modern meat products are on a spectrum as well, it's not just having the meat, it's what the meat ate before it became me that's important. Grass-fed, versus grain fed for beef. Insect, and protein for chickens, grain fed for chickens etc. antibiotics, hormones being supplemented into the feed to improve yields.

One massive problem the industry globally suffers from is overpromising. Just like multivitamins, which are very poorly bioavailable, and mostly peed out, they promise a lot but don't deliver much.

Factors I would look for:
- can somebody sustain life eating only the synthetic meat for multiple years?
- oxidative stress, and oxidation in the synthetic food?
- The temptation to engineer sugar, and carbohydrates, directly into the

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qyron 1 week ago • lemmy (AP)

That was a very compreensive answer. You gave me a few thinking points.

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DashboTreeFrog 1 week ago • lemmy (AP)

First insect meat I ever ate was some kind of BBQ tarantula in Cambodia. It was amazing. I don't shy away from insect meat at all now. I've even been to a Michelin Star restaurant that has insect based dishes. It's a cultural aversion, I get it, but the right insects prepared the right ways are great

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PolandIsAStateOfMind 1 week ago • lemmy (AP)

And the insects would be provided by whom if not a huge corpos? You create some false equivalence here, it's the ages old struggle of lowering the food costs of feeding workers by making us eat worse things. Potatoes instead of wheat, highly process foods, fats and sugars in everything and ultimate fucking step is looming: eating bugs. You can't go worse than that unless it's a fucking soylent green which i can guarantee you would be somewhere next in the line after you allow the mega rich to feed you bugs.

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PolandIsAStateOfMind 1 week ago • lemmy (AP)

Edit: Why is this getting heavily down-voted without any reply?

Bugeaters.

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orgrinrt 1 week ago • lemmy (AP)

We don’t eat red meat at all, so I would probably try it out fairly quickly. Actually we don’t eat chicken or the like either, only fish, which is something I miss a bit more now and then. We have a dried product called NoChicken that is actually pretty good, so that’d probably be sufficient for me to wait a bit to see how it goes long term (I.e is it truly safe to consume).

But every now and then, I miss game. Moose and wood grouse mainly. That’d probably hook me enough to try it quickly.

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hedgehog 1 week ago • lemmy (AP)

acsh.org/news/2022/09/15/ultra…

'Ultra-Processed' Food: The Nutrition Myth That Won't Die

The Conversation returns with another awful story about the dangers of "ultra-processed" food. Here's a look at the science they ignored—again.

^{American Council on Science and Health}

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jol 1 week ago • lemmy (AP)

Of course. Same reason why most people don't eat dog but eat pig. There's no other reason other than cultural and emotional.

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Dizzy Devil Ducky 1 week ago • lemmy (AP)

The only thing I'd wait for is for the process to be refined enough to be more eco friendly than just eating real meat. I'd do it, but until there's proof of it being more sustainable and won't tank my blood thin/thickness levels (blood thinners sometimes suck), I would be down to try it at the very least.

Though I would receive resistance in changing my diet until either my dad changes his eating habits or I move out on my own because my dad absolutely refuses things like plant based meats, so I know he'd most likely resist lab grown meat as well. It's also hard for my mom and I to switch to a healthier dinner diet since both my dad and older brother wouldn't dare change their diets to something like a Mediterranean or some other healthier because they can be picky eaters (especially my older brother).

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bruhduh 1 week ago • lemmy (AP)

Afbeelding/foto

Labs be like

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qyron 1 week ago • lemmy (AP)

Fair

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leonardodede3 1 week ago • lemmy (AP)

Only if the culture medium for the meat cells is not made of living animals.

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UltraGiGaGigantic 1 week ago • lemmy (AP)

Only if I could put my own DNA in it so I could eat my own ass

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qyron 1 week ago • lemmy (AP)

I... really don't have a reply to that. Autophagy? Perhaps?

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🦇 Batman 🦇 6 days ago (Received 5 days ago) • lemmy (AP)

sucking your own meat would be crazy

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qyron 1 week ago • lemmy (AP)

Why, thank you, Mr. President. It's an honor to get a compliment from a personality such as yourself.

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intensely_human 1 week ago • lemmy (AP)

I would definitely eat cultured meat as long as it’s not too expensive.

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N0x0n 1 week ago • lemmy (AP)

Yeah, so does smoking tobacco ! I assure you it has been debunked by Marlboro ! Smoking is healthy !

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communism 1 week ago • lemmy (AP)

You haven't mentioned if there are any ethical concerns with this new meat; e.g. environmental cost of the production process, what kind of human labour is required to create it, who is providing that labour and under what conditions are they working.

Provided I had no ethical concerns with it, sure, but a lot of modern innovations tend to have these issues and I assume lab-grown meat would have these issues too.

Edit: Also, I'm opposed to animal captivity, so if there's an ongoing need to collect samples from captive livestock then no, I wouldn't. If it's a "collect it once then it keeps reproducing from the lab samples forever" type of thing then sure.

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Anna 1 week ago • lemmy (AP)

You know the difference between a white vegan/vegetarian vs a non white, they don't try to find something that tastes exactly like a meat. There are a lots and lots of dishes that are 100% vegan/vegetarian and taste much much better and don't pretend to be meat of any sort.

If you are so tempted by the taste of the meat then just eat it.Environment isn't going to get any better just because you stopped eating meat, the animal cruelty isn't going to stop because of you.

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qyron 1 week ago • lemmy (AP)

White/non-white vegan? That is uncharted territory for me. Can you expand a little more on that?

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Anna 1 week ago • lemmy (AP)

oh you know I'm vegan but I just love bacon, and eggs. OK sometimes I like to have a little bit of lobster

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qyron 1 week ago • lemmy (AP)

I'm a fence sitter on the eggs front, not going to lie.

I had a few chickens for some time, always made sure they were well fed, sheltered and protected from potential predators and at some point they just started laying eggs around. There was no rooster around to fertilize the eggs, so... it was just spoiling around.

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r0ertel 1 week ago • lemmy (AP)

I've never heard this, bit have tried to explain it to people and failed. If you're going to try to find a vegan substitute for a thing, most of the time it will fail to impress because it's not the thing that it's pretending to be. Take vegan cheese. It's probably worse for you than regular cheese because it's super processed.

I have several meals that I make that are vegan, but don't need to be labeled as vegan because it's not a substitute. For example, I make chili with those big mushrooms because I like the taste, but I don't call it a vegan chili, I call it a mushroom chili.

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Shimitar 1 week ago • lemmy (AP)

Yes, absolutely.
No risk of virus or bacteria, or worse...

Grown to the size you want...

Of the shape and type you want...

No fat (maybe?)....

What's not to like.

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doingthestuff 1 week ago • lemmy (AP)

I'd say price is definitely a factor. I already pass over good cuts of meat for that reason. Also taste/texture/overall experience. If it checs those boxes, and it has been on the market long enough to be confident I won't get instant cancer, then 100%! A little marbled fat makes it better though.

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Shimitar 6 days ago (Received 5 days ago) • lemmy (AP)

Yeah, definitely some fat is needed...

But I can see hordes of healthy people looking for fatless meat, as they already do I the supermarkets.

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dubyakay 6 days ago (Received 5 days ago) • lemmy (AP)

What kinda idiot would want no fat?

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Coskii 6 days ago (Received 5 days ago) • lemmy (AP)

The kind that wants realllllly consistent beef jerky.

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dubyakay 6 days ago (Received 5 days ago) • lemmy (AP)

Constipation-jerky

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LiamTheBox 1 week ago • lemmy (AP)

500 protein bars...

As if the facists will allow it...

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r0ertel 1 week ago • lemmy (AP)

No, i'd go vegan before i'd eat cultured meat. I'm not opposed to it and it's probably better for the economy and environment, but I have a mental thing about it. Granted if I had to catch and clean my own meat, i'd also probably go vegan. Maybe I'm just squeamish about my food.

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argarath 6 days ago (Received 5 days ago) • lemmy (AP)

What is the mental thing you have against lab grown meat?

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r0ertel 6 days ago (Received 5 days ago) • lemmy (AP)

It sort of grosses me out. I don't know how to explain it.

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argarath 4 days ago • lemmy (AP)

Still a valid reason, food is just as much pure nutritional values as well as emotional responses from the people who will decide to eat it or not

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Rekorse 6 days ago (Received 5 days ago) • lemmy (AP)

Sorta sounds like you already think meat is gross.

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r0ertel 6 days ago (Received 5 days ago) • lemmy (AP)

Yeah, I'm pretty picky about the meat I do eat. It's the fat and gristle that I can't stand. After a pork chop, it looks like a dissection. I don't like to eat around bones. If I think about it too much, old probably end up vegetarian, which would probably be better for me given my other health issues. I don't think anybody ever died from eating too many vegetables.

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Rekorse 6 days ago (Received 5 days ago) • lemmy (AP)

This actually happened to me too for quite a long while. I knew I would be vegan for maybe 10 years before I decided I should just do it one day. Life's weird like that. I will say its pretty important to have fresh veggies and fruits nearby or else its practically impossible no matter what.

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flashgnash 6 days ago (Received 5 days ago) • lemmy (AP)

I do wish more people would come to terms with that, I have no issues with people eating meat provided they're actively aware of what's happened to put that meat on their plate

Too many people never even think about it

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GHiLA 6 days ago (Received 5 days ago) • lemmy (AP)

Can I see the lab?

Darnit...

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explodicle 6 days ago (Received 5 days ago) • lemmy (AP)

Don't ask to see a slaughterhouse...

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Michael 6 days ago (Received 5 days ago) • lemmy (AP)

I was attempting to communicate that I would sooner argue for eating insects over lab-grown protein mainly because of the danger I see in the concept of a food source that is only able to be produced in a lab, not that I am going to seriously argue for insects to be seen as anything other than a potential option for protein. Plenty of other cultures utilize insects in food willingly, and I'm all about arguing for consent and what's best for everybody individually.

I think we will have to get very creative to solve our problems with agriculture and food production, and I think all options should be fairly entertained if they can be done in a way that is truly safe while prioritizing the will of the people. I'm of the opinion that our food sources should be more natural and that's also what I was attempting to touch on.

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juliebean 6 days ago (Received 5 days ago) • lemmy (AP)

hell yeah. soon as its not way more expensive than normal meat, i'm down. your proposed technology also sounds like it should mean lab grown replacement organs with zero chance of rejection, which would be amazing.

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captainlezbian 6 days ago (Received 5 days ago) • lemmy (AP)

For seafood yes, but I'm unlikely to bother regrowing the necessary gut biome for other meats

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ikidd 6 days ago (Received 5 days ago) • lemmy (AP)

Jesus, people bitch about processed foods but have no issues with whatever shit has to be put into this to make it grow?

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rumba 6 days ago (Received 5 days ago) • lemmy (AP)

Most that bitch about processed foods have no idea what "processed" actually means.

Most of the 'chemicals' they're worried about occur naturally at quantity in plants and fruit.

The lab-grown meat uses the same organics that happen in the animal to trigger growth.

That said, price-wise, real meat will have to become very very expensive before lab-grown meat will be competitive. Breeding cattle is expensive, but a lot of it is just making sure life happens. Cows are hearty, self feed and have immune systems.

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MarxMadness 6 days ago (Received 5 days ago) • lemmy (AP)

That said, price-wise, real meat will have to become very very expensive before lab-grown meat will be competitive.

At least in the U.S., meat production/pricing is heavily subsidized.

The True Cost of a Hamburger | The Daily Economy

"Subsidies’ dollar value, unfortunately, do not cover their full cost. Meat production costs reach the environment, the neighborhood, and the market.&q ...

^{David Gillette (The Daily Economy)}

rumba 6 days ago (Received 5 days ago) • lemmy (AP)

That article is highly suspect. The prices of beef cows sans tax credits is readily available, as is the average meat yield. A Big Mac uses 1/5 of a pound of lean cooked meat (2x 1.6 oz patties). So let's be generous assume that it's one quarter pound uncooked. $30 per quarter pound would put your average beef cow up around $54,000. At that price, The farmers would be getting 1 million a year per 19 head of cattle.

And all that's assuming that we're just grounding up all the random beef into ground beef. Ground beef is generally taken from the trimmings of the steaks and roasts or we're volume is required at least the cheapest of the roasts.

Certainly the subsidy is there, But it's more like pennies on the dollar rather than dollars on the penny.

MarxMadness 6 days ago (Received 5 days ago) • lemmy (AP)

$30 per quarter pound

The second sentence of the article gives $30 as the unsubsidized price of one pound of hamburger meat, not 1/4 pound. You have to read it more carefully if you want to get into the details.

Setting aside the details for a minute, how would a subsidy of only pennies on the dollar even be plausible? One purpose of agricultural subsidies is to stabilize prices; pennies on the dollar can't do that.

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rumba 6 days ago (Received 5 days ago) • lemmy (AP)

Ok, had to go to a computer to properly answer this.

First, subsidies aren't explicitly designed to make meat cheaper. They're intended to keep farms in business and provide a safety margin for food stocks. They subsidize cheese, wheat, meat, soya, corn, everything. In some cases, they pay farmers not to grow crops. It's about food security. If a farm goes under, it becomes housing land, and we lose that growing capability. That said, most of the subsidies aren't going to individual farmers, but we'll get to that later.

A calf costs somewhere in the range of $300. They can have their first calf around 2 years old. And every year after that. They cost about $2-3 a day each to feed. Given there are veterinary needs, hay in the winter, After a year of growth, they sell for ~$3000-$4000 and provide about 450 lbs of meat. That's somewhere around 30-40% profit calf to slaughter.

If you're just buying them to slaughter, that's $6-$8 / lb average, then butchering and transport. But that includes ribs, roasts, steak, filet, liver, and tongue. Tenderloin sells for $15-$20/

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Ok, had to go to a computer to properly answer this.

If you're just buying them to slaughter, that's $6-$8 / lb average, then butchering and transport. But that includes ribs, roasts, steak, filet, liver, and tongue. Tenderloin sells for $15-$20/lb. Steaks sell for closer to $12.

If you managed it calf to beef, that's closer to $4 a lb at cost.

The caps on the subsidies to the individual farmers are insanely low (something like 150k / farmer). Most of those billions go to the mega-corps who can skirt the caps. Those subsidies are primarily funding the oligarchs.

So let's reverse that again with the proper claim as you pointed out. $30/lb. 450lb/cow. That's a $13,000 cow. They're not getting that much in subsidies either. That would cap out at 11 head.

I think our problem is that the paper is trying to calculate a societal cost, while we're arguing fiscal cost.

sentientmedia.org/government-s…

It’s also frequently argued by vegan and food justice activists that the price of a Big Mac would jump from $5.00 to $13.00 without federal subsidies. This claim, however, is based on a misreading of the aforementioned UC Berkeley paper.
What the paper actually says is that a Big Mac would cost $13.00 “if the retail price included hidden expenses that meat producers offload onto society.” That’s a much broader category than just subsidies. It includes things like the health and environmental costs associated with meat production and consumption, neither of which are subsidies.

If you want to lump in health costs, every high-fat, high-sugar food skyrockets. French Fries, oils, eggs, bread, cookies.

Lab-grown meat will still have all those hidden health costs. The only true win is for the environment, and to be clear, I want lab-grown meat for all the environmental and ethical considerations, I'm just saying the article is trying to paint a picture that's much worse than it really is.

Do Government Subsidies Make Meat Cheaper? Yes, but With Some Important Caveats

A relatively simple question doesn’t have a simple answer.

^{Seth Millstein (Sentient)}

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njm1314 6 days ago (Received 5 days ago) • lemmy (AP)

If I could afford it yeah of course

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electric_nan 6 days ago (Received 5 days ago) • lemmy (AP)

I've been vegan for almost 25 years, and vegetarian for couple years before that... and I'd be happy it existed, but I wouldn't eat it. I don't miss meat, and the idea of eating any of it just grosses me out.

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flashgnash 6 days ago (Received 5 days ago) • lemmy (AP)

Same, I get why beyond meat exists but I can't touch the stuff myself and it sucks when that's the only option available

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electric_nan 6 days ago (Received 5 days ago) • lemmy (AP)

I actually like Beyond/Impossible lol. I guess for me it's about knowing that it's made out of vegetables.

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LovableSidekick 6 days ago (Received 5 days ago) • lemmy (AP)

I'd try it if the price came down. Fake meat is in the store now but I still eat the real thing. Maybe the current stuff isn't what OP is talking about.

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Queen HawlSera 6 days ago (Received 5 days ago) • lemmy (AP)

If it was healthy, affordable, and tasty, then yes.

If it isn't all three, then Veganism can continue to go fuck itself.

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OmegaLemmy 6 days ago (Received 5 days ago) • lemmy (AP)

Cutting down on eating meat is as good as going vegan

Villianising anyone and everyone who even so much as touches a chicken breast is a damn blunder and totally puts me off against the community

Then again, most vegans that are decent wouldn't be pushy and tell people they're vegan

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Queen HawlSera 6 days ago (Received 5 days ago) • lemmy (AP)

Why would I ever cut down on meat though? It's filling, delicious, and the reason why humans evolved intelligence in the first place.

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OmegaLemmy 5 days ago • lemmy (AP)

Because humans found similar delicious alternatives?

I mean, it's your choice and Europe and America heavily depend on a meat based diet with the exception of bread

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Queen HawlSera 5 days ago • lemmy (AP)

Impossible! eats a handful of popcorn and some curly fries

No joke that is what I had for dinner tonight, I'm trying to cutback on finances.

It's not a flex or anything, I just find it ironic that I'm eating corn and potatoes for dinner the same day I lecture people on the internet about Veganism being bad.

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Camille 6 days ago (Received 5 days ago) • lemmy (AP)

You are not limited to meat and lab-created meat, you know? Vegetarians can tell you to eat eggs and cheese if you want. Vegans will tell you that there are large varieties of plant-based proteins, amongst: lentils, soy, whole cereals, even green vegetables. While these tend to not be as complete nor bio-available as meat or eggs, if you combine them you can have various, delicious and protein-rich meals. I am personally working out a lot and my mostly vegan diet (some eggs and cheese from time to time) is enough for my protein needs.

I mean, if your goal is to keep the meat experience, then yeah, I get your point. But other than that....

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pixelscript 6 days ago (Received 5 days ago) • lemmy (AP)

I mean, if your goal is to keep the meat experience, then yeah, I get your point.

I think that was indeed very obviously the point. The point of both the comment you were replying to and this lab grown meat idea as a whole.

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Camille 6 days ago (Received 5 days ago) • lemmy (AP)

I'm not really good with obvious subtexts, I'm sorry ^^

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Queen HawlSera 6 days ago (Received 5 days ago) • lemmy (AP)

Because Veganism is yet another new age fad diet based in pseudoscience and I will have no part in it. It's just Einstein Pain Wave nonsense.

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Camille 6 days ago (Received 5 days ago) • lemmy (AP)

People showing empathy towards animals and their living condition isn't exactly what I would label pseudoscience. It has nothing to do with science to begin with

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Queen HawlSera 5 days ago • lemmy (AP)

Yes, but you can't actually survive on a Vegan diet.

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Unquote0270 5 days ago • lemmy (AP)

You're too funny

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Floey 4 days ago • lemmy (AP)

Veganism is already healthy, affordable, and tasty. Ever heard of a bean? And only doing the ethical thing when it is also the easiest thing to do is just extreme egotism. I'm not saying anyone has to be a saint, but they should at least put more consideration into their actions than "How does this affect me personally?"

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مهما طال الليل 6 days ago (Received 5 days ago) • lemmy (AP)

I’d rather go vegan. Falafel all the way.

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Noxy 6 days ago (Received 5 days ago) • lemmy (AP)

Impossible Burgers already exist and are fucking delicious.

But, sure, if I can have pastrami or corned beef again without requiring a cow experience a life full of torment, emit a cow's lifetime of methane, or have any of that happen where a forest should instead have been left untouched, I'd try it!

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Spacehooks 6 days ago (Received 5 days ago) • lemmy (AP)

I had some impossible patty from restaurants and it's actually not bad and fairly close to meat flavor.

The beyond stuff is a hard pass.

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HiddenLayer555 6 days ago (Received 5 days ago) • lemmy (AP)

Reminder that the meat you buy at the grocery store is as also as human modified as it gets and NOTHING like the wild game that our ancestors ate or even the farm animals from 100 years ago. The animal itself is probably GMO, spends its entire life in a steel cage standing in its own shit and piss and is given specialized processed feed to optimize how much meat it produces (or just has a tube down its throat so we don't have to worry about it eating fast enough). Not to mention tons of antibiotics that are given to the animal just to ensure it survives the hell we put them through which definitely makes it into the meat and therefore into you as well. And they're slaughtered and butchered by underpaid overworked factory workers who have to balance fulfilling brutal quotas with carefully extracting the meat and not getting it contaminated with shit from the animal's guts or the myriad other disgusting things around the meat that you wouldn't want to eat (you can guess how well that usually goes).

Animal cells (without the animal itself and also no central nervous sy

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commie 6 days ago (Received 5 days ago) • ActivityPub

I thought you said it was common knowledge. is it groundbreaking research?

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uis 6 days ago (Received 5 days ago) • lemmy (AP)

1st of January of 2025 it is announced that an advance making possible growing any kind of animal tissue in laboratory conditions

Let me tell ya.

youtu.be/EJG3t5Omteg

- YouTube

Auf YouTube findest du die angesagtesten Videos und Tracks. Außerdem kannst du eigene Inhalte hochladen und mit Freunden oder gleich der ganzen Welt teilen.

^youtu.be

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uis 6 days ago (Received 5 days ago) • lemmy (AP)

Which protein? Sonic hedgehog? Tell genetic engieneers what protein you want, and they will make yeast make that protein. Or ecoli. Or rice. Or tomato. Or anything else.

protein-coding gene in the species Homo sapiens

^{Contributors to Wikimedia projects (Wikimedia Foundation, Inc.)}

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surph_ninja 6 days ago (Received 5 days ago) • lemmy (AP)

It already exists. We need to be pouring subsidies into it. I would absolutely switch, if it was widely available.

Not only is it better for the environment, but it’s also not loaded with antibiotics or been exposed to fecal matter at the farm.

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mexicancartel 6 days ago (Received 5 days ago) • ActivityPub

Well price would probbly drop if the large scale production method using factory machines arrives. A laboratory synthesis will be scaled if people would buy

zod000 6 days ago (Received 5 days ago) • lemmy (AP)

As long as it scaled to reasonably the same price as current meat, I'd absolutely do it unless there were some significant downsides like it somehow being even worse for the environment.

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a2part2 6 days ago (Received 5 days ago) • lemmy (AP)

This ^

If it's better for the environment and doesn't involve the industrial scale poor treatment and wanton slaughter of animals, AND it tastes just as good, I'd be on-board instantly. Even with a premium price hike for consistency.

Roll on quality facon, wagu beeef, and octo-chi k en drumsticks.

I do think that flora missed a trick with vegan, fake meats though...

"I can't believe it's not bacon/ burger/ chicken" they would have slaughtered that ad campaign

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unfnknblvbl 6 days ago (Received 5 days ago) • lemmy (AP)

I am extremely unkeen on handing control of all food production to large corporations.

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UnderpantsWeevil 6 days ago (Received 5 days ago) • lemmy (AP)

Is this really up for debate?

Florida bans lab-grown meat, adding to similar efforts in three other states

Much like with the fossil fuel industry squeezing out renewable energies at every opportunity, I suspect we're going to see the powerful agricultural lobbies shut down competitors until the owners of these big businesses can insert themselves as the sole proprietors of the lab meat industry.

On the flip side, retailers are going to want to drive down their costs, so they'll only switch when the price drops below the current floor set by firms like Tycoon and Cargill. But once it does... you'll be foolish to assume what you're eating isn't lab grown if it means a business increasing its profits.

Despite these pot

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Will McDonald's Ever Use Lab-Grown Meat For Its Burger Patties?

Fast food brands are always looking to innovate with new items to entice customers, but is it possible that McDonald's would ever use lab-grown meat?

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Appoxo 6 days ago (Received 5 days ago) • ActivityPub

There exists a world outside corpo US. Like europe which has better competition in every way. Even ads are better here than in the US.

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UnderpantsWeevil 6 days ago (Received 5 days ago) • lemmy (AP)

europe which has better competition in every way

M&A is coming for Europe in a big way as the neoliberal policies of the states seep in through all the cracks. 2025 is gearing up to be a big year for Euro bank consolidation. We've already seen a lot of the industrial sector hollowed out of the Southern EU states and consolidated in Germany. Crackups like what happened in Yugoslavia in the 90s and border wars like what we're seeing with Ukraine/Russia have also immolated domestic industry in a way we haven't seen since the Years of Lead.

Even ads are better here than in the US.

We'll see how long that lasts. If the UK is a bellweather, it looks like the Elon-ification of your economy is just a matter of time.

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Appoxo 5 days ago • ActivityPub

European sad agreeing noises

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whotookkarl 6 days ago (Received 5 days ago) • lemmy (AP)

I'd want to try some exotic synthetic meats you can't or shouldn't get anymore like dodo or dolphin. I wouldn't have the stomach to try it but you can bet there'll be some market for synthetic long pig. For normal consumption though I don't eat much meat now so I'd probably just go with whichever if there's no difference in cost or calories.

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Appoxo 6 days ago (Received 5 days ago) • ActivityPub

I'd try it.

gubblebumbum 5 days ago • lemmy (AP)

Yes and I hope the tech can replace dairy too.

Psythik 4 days ago • lemmy (AP)

Almond milk is good. Tastes really close to dairy milk, IMO. Dare I say it's even better.

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kryptonite 4 days ago • lemmy (AP)

A lot of milk replacements are common allergens. I can't eat almonds. A lot of people can't have soy. I'm guessing very few people are allergic to all of them, though.

acockworkorange 4 days ago • lemmy (AP)

Nope. I avoid ultra processed food and that would be the ultimate in ultra processing. I've been reducing my animal protein intake regularly, and consider this important, but not enough to risk my health on it.

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Acta Populi 1 week ago friendica

Iran Takes Major Step Toward Maritime Self-Sufficiency With New Naval Contracts iranpress.com/content/297639

butter_fly via Linux 1 week ago • lemmy (AP)

Non-English filename disappears after coppying.

Did this happend to anyone else?

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n2burns 1 week ago • lemmy (AP)

Is that a limitation of the destination filesystem?

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Kairos 1 week ago • lemmy (AP)

There's an Arabic name in the bottom right. Likely the software getting confused.

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bdonvr 1 week ago • lemmy (AP)

The filename ending left to right despite the file being right to left is kinda funny

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Kairos 1 week ago • lemmy (AP)

That's exactly how it's supposed to be handled.

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synae[he/him] 1 week ago • lemmy (AP)

It's been a long time since I've had to deal with text rendering, so forgive me if this question is silly or uses wrong terminology:

Are the unicode LTR/RTL markers part of the filename or is the display layer supposed to figure it out by the codepoints used?

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Kairos 1 week ago • lemmy (AP)

Correct

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Björn Tantau 1 week ago • lemmy (AP)

Maybe the target filesystem doesn't support those filenames. I think I saw that either with NTFS or SAMBA. Really annoying.

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dragnucs 1 week ago • lemmy (AP)

Never noticed that? How do you copy them, from terminal? What software do you use? What file system do you use?

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butter_fly 1 week ago • lemmy (AP)

nautilus, ext4

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dragnucs 1 week ago • lemmy (AP)

I cannot reproduce it, I just tried to copy some files with various methods but they always end up correctly named. The only difference is that I have Btrfs. I never encountered this issue when I was using ext4 though.

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Limitless_screaming 1 week ago • ActivityPub

Can't reproduce it on ext4, KDE Plasma too.

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Zikeji 1 week ago • lemmy (AP)

Are you copying it to a locally mounted ext4 or is it a network share of an ext4 drive, and if so - what type of network share?

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Riskable 1 week ago • lemmy (AP)

Could be a bug in Nautilus though it's so mature now that would be strange. I'd report it to their repo (don't have the link and I'm on my phone but it should be easy to find).

ext4 supports various filename encodings (simultaneously, even!) but sometimes when you copy a file from one destination to another in a batch with mixed encodings you can end up with situations like this. Especially from within a GUI.

Does the problem occur when you copy each file one by one or only in batch?

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butter_fly 1 week ago • lemmy (AP)

This happened when copying in batch.

ik5pvx 1 week ago • lemmy (AP)

Can you check in a terminal? If you can see them in the terminal and not in the desktop you're missing a font. If you can't see them in the terminal then you've somehow mangled them. What was the OS and filesystems you copied from?

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bdonvr 1 week ago • lemmy (AP)

Unless the font if the terminal has the same issue

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Daemon Silverstein 1 week ago • lemmy (AP)

Redirecting the output of ls to commands such as hexdump or od would allow to notice if the name has international characters or if they were replaced by some placeholder character (which would be represented as a repeated value across the hex dump)

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penquin 1 week ago • lemmy (AP)

Are the missing ones Arabic, too? If so, there is a "noto sans Arabic" font and other symbol fonts that you'll need to have installed. That's really weird, though. I have Arabic everywhere and I don't have this issue. Did you uninstall any fonts by any chance?

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butter_fly 1 week ago • lemmy (AP)

Yes, those are Arabic, but Chinese, Japanese and Bangla are also affected. And I have the fonts installed.

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penquin 1 week ago • lemmy (AP)

I'd try reinstalling the plasma workspace and see if that fixes it. Or even the whole desktop.
For some reason, I assumed you have plasma installed

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blobjim [he/him] 6 days ago (Received 5 days ago) • lemmy (AP)

Could it be this bug?: phoronix.com/news/Linux-Revert…

Linux Fixes Regression That Broke File Names With ❤️ & Other Special Characters

Linus Torvalds took to reverting some code tonight within the mainline Linux kernel that inadvertently had broken support having filenames with ❤️ and other special Unicode characters in filenames when on file-systems with case-folding (optional case…

^{www.phoronix.com}

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Acta Populi 1 week ago friendica

Gaza Health Ministry Calls for Urgent Intl. Protect Hospitals english.almasirah.net.ye/post/…

taz 1 week ago • mastodon (AP)

Pascal Kober war nach dem Anschlag vor Ort. Neben großer Solidarität hat er dort auch Wut und Enttäuschung wahrgenommen. Die Zahl der Hilfesuchenden wird höher sein als bisher angenommen, sagt er. taz.de/!6059069

Bundesopferbeauftragter über Magdeburg: „Die Sensibilität für die Belange der Opfer ist gestiegen“

^{Yağmur Ekim Çay (taz)}

taz (inoffiziell) 1 week ago • friendica (via ActivityPub)

Die Weltlage macht es schwer, optimistisch zu bleiben. Dabei sind 2024 viele positive Dinge passiert. Über Menschen, die gute Nachrichten verbreiten.

Negativity Bias im Journalismus: Ist es wirklich so schlimm?

^{Christian Jakob (taz)}

Acta Populi 1 week ago friendica

How the CIA Secretly Used Jackson Pollock to Fight the Cold War

Steal Wool via Linux 1 week ago • lemmy (AP)

Mint 22 external speaker static

cross-posted from: lemm.ee/post/50742550

I hope crosspost is okay here.

Hi there, linux noob here. I have managed to install Mint 22, dual boot with win11. Everything seems to be working great, except one small problem that keeps me from using mint.
Whenever my computer is not playing a sound, after about 6 seconds, my external speakers will start playing static until a noise is played (a song or even just pressing vol +/-).
I've searched around a bit, but haven't found anything to fix it so far. I've looked on Mint forums (and asked questions but probably did it wrong cuz nobody responded). I used GPT a bit and I think that might have been a mistake. I timeshifted back to revert any changes cuz it's scary.
I ended up getting the powersave mode to turn off in PulseAudio, but that didn't fix it either.
Any suggestions or ideas would be tremendously appreciated. I kinda just gave up for a bit and am back on windows, which is quite unfortunate, I'm sure you'll agree.
I'm on a Nitro AN515-58, let me know if any more info would be helpful.

Mint 22 external speaker static - lemm.ee

Lemmy

^lemm.ee

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spaghettiwestern 1 week ago • lemmy (AP)

Many (most?) Ubuntu fixes also work on Mint. This post might help.

Static noise when NO audio playing

I have this issue where I hear a static noise coming from my speakers that goes away when I start playing any audio and comes back after a few seconds when I am not playing any audio.

^{Ask Ubuntu}

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anon5621 1 week ago • lemmy (AP)

I don't think it gonna help him since mint 22 use already pipewire.

tabular 1 week ago • lemmy (AP)

When I had static on headphones on Mint (20, maybe 21) then killing PulseAudio would prevent it happening again for a variable amount of time (minutes or weeks). I hope someone suggests something better but that might be worth trying that next time it happens: pulseaudio -k. [edit: tried that just now and had to re-select my headphones as an output device]

I've not had to do that for a long time and I don't know what has changed (fairly sure it had stopped happening before I got new headphones). PluseAudio isn't even installed on my Mint MSI B450 machine, I assume it didn't install during boot. I guess my static issues are are hardware related: something causing inference.

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Steal Wool 1 week ago • lemmy (AP)

I just found out LM22 uses pipewire as default so Im gonna give that a try.

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anon5621 1 week ago • lemmy (AP)

echo 0 > /sys/module/snd_hda_intel/parameters/power_save .Run as root if it gonna help let me know

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BCsven 1 week ago • lemmy (AP)

I seem to recall a Linux show where DasGeek was having a similar issue, If I'm recalling correctly it involved editing a polling value in a file.

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taz (inoffiziell) 1 week ago • friendica (via ActivityPub)

Bundesopferbeauftragter über Magdeburg: „Die Sensibilität für die Belange der Opfer ist gestiegen“

^{Yağmur Ekim Çay (taz)}

Hypolite Petovan 1 week ago • friendica (via ActivityPub)

#MiniReview #VideoGames Encased (2021) claims heritage from 90's and 00's role-playing video games, and after more than 15h spent on it, I tend to agree. In particular, parallels with Fallout games are clear while still holding on its own. The world is original, the story is compelling, the freedom is wide, combat is optional past the introduction sequence, dialogs are short, well-written and to the point and there's some welcome fourth wall breakage to soften the overall gloomy tone.

#videogames #MiniReview

taz (inoffiziell) 1 week ago • friendica (via ActivityPub)

Ein Drittel der Belegschaft des „Haus Wilstedt“ sollte nach Kolumbien abgeschoben werden. Jetzt haben die Betreiber eine Lösung: Ausbildungsplätze.

Abschiebung erstmal verhindert: Pflegeheim muss doch nicht schließen

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SYRIA – Exposing the U.S. Role webinar, Sat. Dec. 28, 3 p.m. Eastern Time iacenter.org/2024/12/24/syria-…

Michael Vogel 1 week ago • friendica (via ActivityPub)

Neuer Rekord: mich hat eben erst "Last Christmas" erwischt.

Hypolite Petovan 1 week ago • friendica (via ActivityPub)

@Michael Vogel I can’t believe you quietly won #Whamageddon2024 , cc @silverwizard

#Whamageddon2024 @Michael Vogel @silverwizard

Rudy 2 weeks ago (Received 1 week ago) • mastodon (AP)

who decided on the name Secret Santa when Nondisclosure Claus was right there for the taking

Hypolite Petovan 1 week ago • friendica (via ActivityPub)

I’m looking for a comic strip I’ve referred to a couple times this week but couldn’t find myself, it goes like this:

First panel
Cat: Human, I’ve been temporarily given the gift of speech, I’ve something really important to tell you!

Second panel
Cat: My food bowl is empty!

Third panel:
Human: I know.

Fourth panel
Cat, with a disappointed face: Meow?

Would anyone have it somewhere in their archives?

taz (inoffiziell) 1 week ago • friendica (via ActivityPub)

In einer spanischen Stadt protestieren Bürger gegen eine ausufernde Weihnachtsbeleuchtung. Es geht um die Umwelt – aber nicht nur.

Weihnachtsbeleuchtung im spanischen Vigo: Die Lichter, die für Ärger sorgen

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Mastodon Statistics 1 week ago • hubzilla (AP)

#Mastodon #Statistics 2024-12-25 18:00 CET
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Call me Lenny/Leni via Asklemmy 1 week ago • lemmy (AP)

What's the most interesting thing you've learned from TV Tropes?

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TheImpressiveX 1 week ago • lemmy (AP)

Self-Fulfilling Prophecy

Whenever anyone tries to avert a prophecy, for good or ill, the end result of their actions is to bring the prophecy about. The harder they struggle to prevent it, the more inescapable their destiny becomes. Fate, it seems, loves irony. Strangely …

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Alice 1 week ago • lemmy (AP)

Back when I was an active user, I learned a lot of people only take in one piece of media and nothing else. I'm sure the site culture has shifted since then, but I remember a ton of entries exaggerating how extreme or unique basic tropes in My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic are.

A lot of tropes were also constantly referred to as "anime tropes" and people suggested Japanese names for them when there was nothing about them that was unique to anime or Japanese culture.

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psmgx 1 week ago • lemmy (AP)

tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php…

Artistic License – Traditional Christianity

This article is a list of common misconceptions held by people about Traditional Christianity. For examples of this in action and for misconceptions about other religions, see Artistic License â Religion. For more information, …

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Karu 🐲 1 week ago • lemmy (AP)

I check TV Tropes from time to time because it is useful to have a database with media tropes and to my experience it's mostly exhaustive.

But man, that site really irks me. I hate the overly casual, witty, irregular style that every page has while attempting to be funny, and I hate when they do incomplete hints at stuff (ex. "in some episode of show X" bruh, which episode??). For a wiki-style site, I'd really prefer the more neutral tone Wikipedia has.

And on a less important note, I also hate how the articles in TV Tropes pretend that the trope names are some sort of agreed consensus in the scientific community, when most of them are never referred to by those names outside of that site.

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corsicanguppy 1 week ago • lemmy (AP)

I’d really prefer the more neutral tone Wikipedia has.

NPoV seems to be a really hard thing to keep.

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nicerdicer 1 week ago • ActivityPub

I always thought that entering, hot-wiring and driving away with a car was a complete fabrication, as cars have a steering column lock that prevents movement of the steering wheel. This scenario is often depeicted in older movies.

At least I thought so. I recently learned that this doesn't seem to be true, as there were cars around that do not have such locking mechanism. So this TV trope doesn't seem to be far fetched. I think it is a safety requirement now to combat car theft. I assume that modern, recent cars are locked electronically rather than mechanically.

However, I don't think that car manufacturers leave/left a conventient ammount of cable length underneath the steering column to be yanked out and to be hotwired in a comfortable and accessible way.

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Captain Aggravated 1 week ago • lemmy (AP)

The image of "yank down on a panel under the steering wheel, a bunch of loose wires not in a loom or harness dangle out, two in the front are conveniently stripped and tinned. Touch these together to start the car." happens too often.

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eightpix 1 week ago • lemmy (AP)

That the Xanatos gambit is what I now expect from all good villains. Any villain worth their salt has a way to defeat the hero — even captured, killed, or frustrated.

Xanatos Gambit

A Xanatos Gambit is a plan for which all foreseeable outcomes benefit the creator — including ones that superficially appear to be failure. The creator predicts potential attempts to thwart the plan, and arranges the situation such that the …

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